Thursday, July 24, 2008

Sickness, Healing and the Christian, Pt 1(Dangerous Deceptions)


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Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Matthew 24:23-25


Many Christian ministers today triumphantly proclaim doctrines about healing, sickness and the Christian that imply physical healing is an absolute guarantee in this life for anyone who places faith in Christ, especially, when faith is placed in what Christ accomplished on the cross. They teach that "healing is in the atonement"-- that in the same way believing in Christ's sacrificial death immediately removes the guilt of sin by providing the means through which God forgives and justifies believers, so also Christ took our sicknesses upon Himself, providing physical health that is available right now through faith. But is the promise of physical healing for this earthly life one that Christians ought to expect and even claim as their right? Or is the granting of physical healing under the control of a wise, good and sovereign God, who has a sanctifying purpose in bringing various trials and sufferings (which may include sickness) into the life of believers?

In this series of articles, my aim is to delve into these challenging questions and to present a biblical alternative to the popular view on sickness espoused by those sometimes labeled "faith healers". We will examine the common teaching on sickness and health, to see if it accords with Scripture, and I will also direct the reader to further resources for study. The more I have investigated and studied the topic of sickness and healing, the more I am convinced that the widespread teaching about "healing for today" misinterprets the Bible. Those who teach these doctrines range from sincere, compassionate individuals who long to bring God's healing power to those who suffer, and believe what they teach is true and biblical; to charlatans in the "healing business" out of greed. But whether sincerely believed or not, my conclusion is that this doctrine of guaranteed healing is a dangerous deception that leaves many sufferers deeply disappointed when they don't receive their expected healing. In addition, in some cases it appears people are being demonically deceived and ensnared because they open themselves via "impartations" to powers not of God.

Personal Bias?
I want to assure readers that my writing is not based on a personal bias against miracles, or disbelief that God can move today in a supernatural way. I sincerely believe God is all-powerful and can do miracles today. Additionally, for several years my wife and I attended charismatic churches and were very inclined to believe what was being taught about healing for today, especially since my wife was dealing with chronic illness and hoping to be cured. We really wanted these teachings to be true, to bring an end to the illness that had brought us suffering and disrupted our lives. Admittedly, the fact that my wife did not get healed in the way we expected does color my current views, but my argument in this article is not based on my personal experience, but is an attempt to analyze the teaching of the "faith-healers" against Scripture. I want to judge experience by the teaching of the Scripture, rather than read into Scripture my own experience.

Certainly too, I would delight in seeing people being healed of their illnesses, knowing how awful it is to be sick, but I have yet to see hard factual evidence that people are in fact being healed through these types of healers. On the other hand I have personally experienced the guilt, confusion and disappointment that results from expecting healing to come but not seeing it happen.

And in the course of researching this article I have become increasingly aware of and concerned about the dangers of these kinds of teachings. The hype behind healing ministries implies all its testimonies are positive, but there of plenty of negative stories, from those bitterly disappointed in their quest for a miracle healing. This compels me to point out the errors I believe one finds when these common views on healing are evaluated scripturally, because so many people are embracing them uncritically.

A truth to keep in mind as we move forward in our examination of contemporary healing ministries is that Jesus taught that what happens to your earthly body is not the ultimate concern in life-- much more important that the condition of one's body is the eternal state of one's soul (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:4). So although Jesus' ministry was filled with healings that demonstrated His compassion for sufferers, revealed Him as the Messiah and gave us a foretaste of the perfect healing that will come when we receive new bodies, nevertheless His followers still get sick and die in this world. Sickness and death are simply facts of life in a fallen world.

If we can show that today's healing ministries are unbiblical in their practices due to unsound theology, then even if healing/deliverance occurs within them, this does not override their faulty foundation or validate them. As Jesus warned us above, Satan is a master counterfeiter and mimics the miracles of God. Miracles, signs and wonders are not the ultimate test of truth, since they can be faked by men or demons. What better strategy to deceive people could Satan use than to fool people via pseudo-miracles into believing that experience is more critical and more valuable than the truth provided in God's Word?

Word-Faith Teaching
If you are at all familiar with popular Christian television programming, as featured on such networks as TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network), God TV, Daystar or The Word Network, you have no doubt noticed the proliferation of preachers/teachers who declare that healing for the body is the birthright of all Christians, and who claim to be doing healing miracles today in the name and by the power of Jesus. Proclaiming "Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever" (Heb 13:8), and "by His stripes you are healed" (1 Pet 2:24), these teachers promote what has come to be known as "Word of Faith" or "Word-Faith" doctrine, which teaches that it is always God's will for you to be healed. With an assumed mandate from passages such as Mark 16:14-19, purveyors of "Word-Faith" doctrine conclude that they have been commissioned and authorized to heal/deliver the afflicted in precisely the same way today as did Jesus and His apostles. According to their teaching, miracles, signs and wonders, divine health and favor, and even financial prosperity are all to follow after the Christian in this life because of what Jesus accomplished for us on the cross. Key proponents of this type of teaching include Kenneth Hagin (deceased), Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Paul and Jan Crouch (TBN Network), Benny Hinn, Steve Muncie, Creflo Dollar, David Yonggi Cho, Frederick Price, Rodney Howard-Browne, Peter Popoff, Don Stewart, Morris Cerullo, Reinhard Bonnke, Joyce Meyer and many more. Some of these Word-Faith ministers emphasize healing while others focus more on prosperity, but usually both healing and prosperity are espoused within the Word-Faith message.

Signs and Wonders?
A movement that shares themes with Word-Faith is known as the "Signs and Wonders" movement (a.k.a. Latter Rain/Third Wave/Apostolic/Prophetic). It includes such leaders as John Wimber (deceased), C. Peter Wagner, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Tommy Tenney, Cindy Jacobs, Jack Deere, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Patricia King, Dutch Sheets, Che Ahn and promotes miracles as the ideal way of evangelizing ("power evangelism"). Signs and wonders, they say, have largely been missing from the church, but the Lord is restoring the miraculous in these last days as a prelude to a "huge end-times harvest, revival and awakening." Just as in the days of Jesus and the apostles, today's Christians are to perform miracles that bring down the glory of God in such a way that many will see the miracles and be saved. According to this movement, prophecy is one of those supernatural gifts that has been restored, and leaders in this movement continually give out new visions and prophecies.

Todd Bentley and the Lakeland "Outpouring"
The current so-called Lakeland "outpouring" spearheaded by Todd Bentley (Fresh Fire Ministries) and being broadcast continually on God TV is built on Word-Faith doctrines but is also part of the Latter Rain/Third Wave/Apostolic-Prophetic movement (on June 23rd Bentley received an "apostolic alignment" from C. Peter Wagner and other leaders of the "Apostolic-Prophetic" movement- you can watch this ceremony on YouTube).

At these charismatic meetings the miracles alleged to be taking place supposedly affirm the reality of the power and presence of God, and confirm the leaders and teachings as "anointed" by God. Like other Latter Rain/Third Wave/Prophetic ministries, Bentley's Fresh Fire Ministries characterizes its teachings as "fresh" prophetic words from God, relayed through Todd and his team, who in turn receive them directly from the Lord or from angels (more on this later).

How do we evaluate all these claims of healing by Word-Faith and Signs and Wonders ministers? Isn't it true, as they are proclaiming, that God's nature does not change, and therefore what He did in the Bible He can still do today, so long as we act in faith? Isn't it true that the ministry of Jesus and His apostles was characterized by numerous miracles of healing and deliverance? And didn't Jesus commission His followers to "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation", saying "these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover? (Mark 16:15-20)"

Granted that these words belong in the Bible and are authentically those of Jesus, should we not believe that God is indeed healing today and doing the same kind of miracles through these ministries? Furthermore, if people are really being healed, why not rejoice that God is doing such marvelous things?

My initial, immediate response is this: if people were truly being healed and saved by the power of Christ (and this could be verified medically-- in other words, real, not psychosomatic healings), and if the quality of the miracles was equivalent to that found in the New Testament (not merely claims of people being raised from the dead or new limbs growing but people actually seeing such things before their very eyes), and if one could observe good, lasting fruit-- people growing in sound biblical doctrine and in maturity in their walk with God) as a result of these ministries, then there would certainly be good cause to celebrate.

Unfortunately this kind of good fruit is scarcely evident, if it is at all observable. The miracles are but unverified claims. Many of the most famous of these ministries have been investigated and asked to provide independent evidence of anyone being healed and have not done so (see below for more articles and resources. Additionally the doctrine espoused by these ministers and being taught to millions the world over is unsound, misleading people into following after personalities and becoming dependent on so-called "fresh revelations", rather than being taught how to handle the Word of God properly, appropriate truth for themselves and grow in discernment between good and evil. Again, even if some of these healings are real, the fact that the doctrine is so unbiblical discredits them as being genuinely of God. We will delve further into the specifics of how these teachings are not according to Scripture.

Perhaps the root problem in the teaching of the Word-Faith and the Signs and Wonders/Third Wave/Prophetic Movement is that Scripture is deemed insufficient to lead believers into intimacy with God and into spiritual maturity, and we must therefore have "fresh revelation" (often the "fresh" revelation amounts to new, aberrant interpretations of Scripture) in order to really know and encounter God. Accordingly, these movements teach errors such as these:


  • We should seek after and experience the "manifest presence" of God.

  • We can receive "words from the Lord" and prophesy knowledge that only God is privy to.

  • We should hear from God directly to receive daily guidance in decision-making.

  • We may grow in the spiritual by being taught of angels and learning how to "see in the Spirit".

  • We can command all sorts of miracles to happen.

  • God works on Earth only through us.

  • We can order demons to the pit of hell.

  • Jesus was not poor but rich, and His children we ought to be rich too.

  • Sickness is never God's will and is always of the Devil.


And the list of things not taught in the Bible goes on and on. Since I want primarily to focus on the topic of healing in these articles, I don't have time/space to refute every single one of the above statements, but what I am trying to demonstrate is that such errors are related to one another. Aberrant interpretation, coupled with an inadequate view of Scripture, generate such fallacies. We will continue our study, but I will pause here to present you with links to articles to consider, as an immediate antidote to these erroneous ideas.

Chasing Subjective Religious Experience- A Critique of Tommy Tenney's The God Chasers by Bob DeWaay

Hear God’s Voice – Guaranteed? A Critique of Mark Virkler’s Hearing God’s Voice by K. Jentoft

The Problems with Personal Words From God- How People Become False Prophets to Themselves by Bob DeWaay

How Deliverance Ministries Lead People to Bondage- A Warning Against the Warfare Worldview by Bob DeWaay

Was Jesus Rich?

It is not surprising that some are led into error, when the doctrines underlying these ministries liberally quote the Scriptures and so give the appearance of being validated by the Bible, Seduced by charismatic personalities, deceived by half-truths and pseudo- signs and wonders, thousands of people with a seemingly genuine desire to be close to God are being duped.

Doctrine is to be developed from careful study and interpretation of Scripture, (2 Tim 2:15) rather than from the alleged receiving of new revelations directly from Christ or from angels. Scripture teaches that believers are to adhere to and defend sound doctrine (1 Tim 1:10, 1 Tim 6:3-6, Titus 1:9, Titus 2:1), which has already been revealed in the Spirit-inspired writing of the Old and New Testaments, and especially in the recorded teaching and commandments of Christ (1 Tim 6:3). We are responsible to not allow ourselves to be misled by false teaching, even if that teaching should come to us in the form of angelic visitation (Galatians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 11:14).

Because so many are flocking to the current Lakeland, Florida meetings or watching them via God TV and the Internet, I feel it's important to describe how some of the errors we have been speaking about are being played out there specifically. My concern is that people discern the truth through God's Word and don't allow themselves to be deceived.

Problems with the Lakeland Revival
A discerning Christian who examines the supposed Lakeland revival with proper biblical skepticism, judging it against the standards of the Word of God, will, I think, readily see that it is a false movement.

First Caution: Todd Bentley-- Revivalist or Questionable Character?
The most visible leader in the so-called Lakeland revival, Todd Bentley, is a man of questionable character. He's covered with piercings and tattoos all over his neck, arms and legs, many apparently added after his conversion. Additionally, the tattoos he wears may have occult significance (see also here).

In a July 18th interview with The Charlotte Observer, Bentley reported that most of his tattoos were from his "pre-Christian days" and that he "makes no apologies for them." "I love art and, to me, my skin is the canvas," he was quoted as saying. "I'm not taking my skin to heaven." Contrary to this assertion, however, photographs of Bentley show that his tattoos are more recent, and have been added after his conversion and ministry, not before. If Bentley has nothing to apologize for in getting tattoos, why does he say most of his tattoos are from before he was saved, while photographs and videos proclaim the opposite?

So What's Wrong With Tattoos, Anyway?
Now there is no New Testament prohibition against having a tattoo. But the practice was clearly prohibited in the Old Testament (Leviticus 19:28) because of its pagan associations. Even in today's culture, with tattoos more "mainstream", those who get them generally belong to sub-cultures (punk, death metal, heavy metal, bikers, and the criminal element) that are associated with rebellion against authority, violence, and the occult, rather than with godliness and purity. If Christians are called to not love the world (1 John 2:15); to set their minds on things that are above (Col 3:2); and to think about "whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable", what do we make of a "rerivalist" who sports what seem to be occult tattoos and wears a T-shirt saying "Jesus Gave me My Tattoos"?

One might protest that if there is nothing wrong with a getting a tattoo in the New Testament then getting a tattoo falls under Christian liberty, and each individual may act according to their own conscience. Perhaps, it might be further argued, Mr. Bentley is merely trying to present himself as a "regular" guy, one who enjoys riding a Harley, pro-wrestling and getting tattoos (as seen on his Myspace page). If some people relate to him better because he doesn't wear a suit and tie, why object? After all, maybe he is reaching people that others with a more conventional image would not be able to connect with.

Even though we may as Christians have liberty to get a tattoo, ought not one who calls himself a revivalist/preacher-- who has supposedly been through a deep season of repentance-- consider that getting a tattoo was strictly forbidden by God in the Old Testament Scriptures? Why did God Himself prohibit this practice? Could it be that there is danger in it and that He is trying to protect His people? Has God now changed His mind about it? Just as in the time of Israel there were pagan associations with getting a tattoo, so it remains today. One who presents himself as a revivalist ought to have better judgment on this issue.

A good, brief article on this topic of tattoos, written in answer to the question, "Is there any reference in the Bible that is against having a pierced tongue or tattoo and what is your biblical view of these practices?" can be found here: Pierced Tongues or Tattoos. For a more in-depth analysis, read the article To Tattoo or Not to Tattoo- A Christian Response to the Tattoo. I think the author of this article makes a convincing case that getting a tattoo is not a mere fashion statement, but a practice that poses serious dangers physically and spiritually and should definitely be avoided by Christians.

On Todd Bentley's Myspace Profile, he lists books he reads and music he listens to. Now I'm not for censoring what other people read or not read. Some of my own musical preferences might be considered questionable, since I have enjoyed the talents of many secular musicians. As a musician myself, I feel able to appreciate the musicianship of secular artists without being swayed by their un-Christian ideas. I don't think we can dogmatically judge someone's walk with God on the basis that they listen to secular music. Nevertheless, we can tell something about a person by the kinds of books and music they read and which obviously influence them.

On Todd Bentley's Myspace profile we find the following books and musical preferences listed:

Books: Frank Peretti, Ted Dekker, (House, Monster, Oath, Piercing the Darkness, The Prophet), God's Generals, T.L. Osborne (Healing the Sick), Benny Hinn (Goodmorning Holy Spirit), Kenneth Haggin, EW Kenyon, Charles Price (The Real Faith)

Music: Creed, Haste the Day, Nodes of the Ranavier, Mortification, Tourniquet, Eternal Decision, P.O.D, Jason Upton, Michael Larson, Kevin Prosch, Don Potter, Kathryn Scott, Alberto & Kimberly Rivera, Immortal Souls, Living Sacrifice, Johnny Cash, He is Legend, Extol, Embodyment, Divine Fire, Demon Hunter, Day of Fire, U2, Coldplay, James Blunt, Scott Stapp

In Bentley's book selections, we definitely observe the Word-Faith influence (God's Generals, Osborne, Hinn, Hagin, Kenyon). A certain view of the spiritual world is revealed in his choice of the novels of Peretti and Dekker.

I am not familiar with all the groups on his music list, but I agree with the writer of this article "Todd Bentley and the Florida Revival Exposed" that some of the groups Bentley listens to are "as satanic as it gets". Decide for yourself: look up these groups-- Embodyment or Mortification-- for example, watch their videos on YouTube and look up their lyrics. Be forewarned, the lyrics may appear "Christian" but the mood and sound of the music is full of rage, and the videos abound in dark images. Is this the kind of music a Christian revivalist finds enjoyable?

In an article titled How We Began on freshfire.ca, we read the following:

For a period of Todd's Holy Spirit boot camp, he entered an especially deep repentance season in which the Lord began working a sanctification work in him. This was a vital part of Todd's preparation season as God prepared him for the work he was calling him to. During this time, while Todd continued his intimate times of soaking in the Holy Spirit and was increasing in prophetic revelation, the Lord gave him a specific scripture which applied to the youth ministry and to Todd's calling: ... and the highway shall be called a highway of holiness."

For a season Todd began preaching a fiery message of repentance and of dying to self. Many youth began to repent of ungodly lifestyles and began embracing set-apart lifestyles. Some even began destroying ungodly music they were listening to while others began "cleaning up" in other ways.


Here it is claimed that Bentley's "deep repentance season" resulted in his progress in sanctification and challenged his young followers to holiness. Why then does Bentley continue to do things (tattoos, listening to demonic-sounding music) which have all the appearance of not leaving the world behind but embracing it? [UPDATE: Also, if Bentley went through a season of repentance in which he was calling others to a set-apart, holy lifestyle, what did he apparently not resolve the serious issues in his marriage that have now come to light? A report from one of Bentley's supporters, John Arnott, further states that Todd is guilty of excessive drinking and inappropriate behavior with a woman on his staff. It is apparent too that his marital problems have been on-going and longstanding. I don't say these things because I think I am without sin-- I say them as a Chrsitian who has much sin in my life that I am dealing with. But I am pointing out the discrepancies between Bentley's actual life and what his ministry website reports about him. The article quoted above implied that Bentley's powerful, miracle-working ministry was made possible because of his personal closeness to God and his pure lifestyle. We have now found out that this was not entirely accurate, so why should we believe that the miracles he claims to do are genuine?].

Second Caution: "Slain in the Spirit" and other Strange Manifestations
During the Lakeland meetings people come up to the stage one after another alleging they have been healed, and are usually "slain in the Spirit" (typically, people fall down backward when Todd Bentley yells things like "BAM" and touches their foreheads). Observe closely the heads and bodies of Bentley and other leaders on the platform, they sway and shake continually, as if under some power. Listening to someone testify of a healing, Bentley may laugh maniacally, even fall down himself. All of this behavior is simply very strange and gives one pause. Can this be of God? Of course, advocates claim that these kinds of manifestations-- falling down under the power of the Spirit, the jerking and shaking, the laughing fits-- are the result of the Spirit or presence of God coming down on people. It should be noted however, that none of these types of manifestations are described in the New Testament epistles instructing the church as the evidence to look for as being true indications of Spirit-filled and controlled living. Galatians 5:22-24 says, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Third Caution: Where is the Gospel and Biblical Teaching?
It appears that these meetings focus so much on "miraculous healing" that there is no presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, or even much biblical teaching provided about healing. Admittedly I have not personally been there and have not been watching all the broadcasts; it is possible the gospel has been preached in some fashion or some formal teaching about healing presented. But on many occasions when I have turned on the Lakeland proceedings on God TV, I have only seen the parade of testimonies, with no teaching or gospel of Jesus presented. What teaching is presented is the common and faulty Word-Faith/Signs and Wonders message.

Fourth Caution: Doctrine from Angels
Perhaps the mostly troubling aspect of Bentley's ministry is his relationship with angles and how they function in his ministry. For example, he describes a female angel named "Emma":

Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: "Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?" He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, "Bob, who is Emma?" He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, "Here's Emma." I'm not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.

She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people. "God, what is happening?" I asked. The Lord answered: "She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church." See, when angels come, they always come for a reason; we need to actually ask God what the purpose is. Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands! Even though the entire community consisted of only three thousand people, weeks after I left the church the pastor testified that the church offerings had either doubled or tripled.


Responding to critics he calls "heresy hunters", Bentley now claims there is no angel "Emma" directing his ministry. References to Emma apparently have even been purged from the FreshFire.ca version of the article containing the above quote. However the article as it originally appeared, with references to Emma intact, can be found here.

Despite the fact that Bentley now de-emphasizes the role "Emma" plays in his ministry, it is still clear from his many teachings posted on freshfire.ca that Bentley teaches frequently about angelic hosts that bring "financial release" and "healing mantles". Angels play a prominent role in his ministry in a manner that does not seem biblical.

I appreciate the fact that Bentley has taken the time to respond to critics, in an article titled Lifting Jesus High! Bringing Biblical Light to Your Questions about the Lakeland Outpouring & Todd Bentley. Nevertheless I am not convinced that his defense explains away his un-biblical methods and questionable character.

Fifth caution: Inaccurate prophecies

Like other so-called prophets in the prophetic movement, watch how Bentley "feels around" with his prophecies, throwing things out there and seeming to guess at what is happening to the people he's addressing or in the crowd he's ministering to, via the impressions the Lord supposedly is giving: Todd Bentley the Highly Inaccurate "Prophet"

Indefinite, vague prophecies could be interpreted by individuals as applying to them just because they are so imprecise. This is the same method psychics use. If there is a gift of prophecy for today that is from God, is it so inaccurate and full of guesswork?

Sixth caution: Lack of evidence for healings
Like others who claim to be healing significant numbers of people-- Bentley claims thousands have been healed at the Lakeland meetings-- when challenged by news agencies to supply medical evidence confirming their claims, they come up empty. Here's an excerpt from an ABC Nightline News story on Bentley, titled Thousands Flock to Revival in Search of Miracles:

The Healing Touch?

When asked to present evidence of the healings, Bentley promised to give "Nightline" the names and medical records of three followers who would talk openly about his miracles. He never delivered. Instead, his staff gave "Nightline" a binder filled with what he says are inspiring miracles, but with scant hard evidence. It offered incomplete contact information, a few pages of incomplete medical records, and the doctors' names were crossed out.

When pressed further, Bentley provided the name of a woman in California who had a large tumor in her uterus that shrank after she saw Bentley.

Her husband, however, told "Nightline" that it could be a coincidence because she was still undergoing medical treatment. He said she was too tired to talk to us at the time but added that she was regaining her strength day by day.

The husband did provide some of his wife's medical records from a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where she went for cancer treatment after being turned away by American hospitals. They, however, insisted on obscuring the clinic's name and the names of the doctors.

Not a single claim of Bentley's healing powers could be independently verified.

Bentley, however, remains positive.

"I believe God is real and he's showing himself to his people," he said. "Yes, I believe the prayer of faith will save the sick."

Bentley's revival is filled with wheelchairs and crutches, with people of faith and people desperate for salvation through faith.

One of them is Bill Wise. He patiently tended his desperately ill baby daughter throughout the long night's revival. He listened for a call from Bentley offering a cure for his child's condition. But it never came.

Yet Wise defiantly refuses to lose faith.

"Even if we don't see any change, in the immediate run here, sometimes prayer is cumulative," Wise said.


Notice how there are supposed to be thousands of healings happening, claims of outstanding miracles, including such as people being raised from the dead, yet Bentley's organization is not able to provide verification of even a single case, despite Bentley promising to do so. And still Bentley continues to make these sorts of claims of healing, justifying such pronouncements by appealing to the Bible, "I believe the prayer of faith will heal the sick."

One especially feels sympathy for those yearning for a miracle healing like Bill Wise and his desperately ill daughter, described above. Many are traveling great distances from all over the world, convinced that Bentley is truly working miracles and that a move of God is happening.

In the next article(s), I will examine more closely these types of statements and claims. I didn't intend to spend quite so much time pointing out errors, but I believe it has been necessary to examine that which is being presented as healing doctrine by many today, in order to know what we are dealing with and how to respond.

I think what Paul wrote to Titus about the overseer is applicable here:
He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. Titus 1:9-11


I am eager to present biblical analysis of these doctrines and request prayer that I will indeed instruct in sound doctrine, as I proceed.

Further resources:
The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation by Bob DeWaay

FIRST-PERSON: Faith & healing -- Where's the evidence? by William Dembski

A series of articles on Herescope blog

Where is the evidence supporting Todd Bentley’s miracle claims?

Todd Bentley’s (and prophet Bob Jones) angel, Emma

Todd Bentley Nightline Report 1
Todd Bentley Nightline Report 2

Do You Believe in Miracles- A Documentary on Benny Hinn

Benny Hinn- Dateline NBC Special


Todd Bentley reveals the secret to his power!

In this video, posted by a Bentley admirer, notice how Bentley claims the ability, at will, to access the presence of God from within, the "anointing", in such a way as to defeat any sickness-- just say "Bam" and it's gone! He counsels people wanting to do the same that healing is learning to access the presence of the Lord within you, so as to "bring the kingdom", the healing "virtue" in you to bear on the situation in front of you. But "you cannot manifest the kingdom", he continues, "if you're not in tune with the presence of the Lord." One learns how to "release" this power only as they "stop and shut off your mind" and disregard "every external distraction".

Friday, July 11, 2008

Jordan's View Needs a Facelift

7-14-08 UPDATE: Rather than perform a major design re-haul of my site, I've just done a bit of tweaking for now... I'm also doing research for the soon-to-come post on illness and Christians...

Today, I noticed that one of the sidebar elements that was a big part of the design of the blog suddenly vanished-- and I'm not sure I can re-create it. Which leads me to thinking I've become real tired of the current look/layout of Jordan's View. So I'd like to do a major overhaul, but... I just don't know that I'm up to the task.

What a dilemma.

Well, hopefully I will find a solution that is somewhat easy and painless to implement.

By the way, I'm still working on the article on sickness and the Christian-- and before I've even posted it, I've had a comment. I have a feeling my post may end up stirring up a bit of controversy. But as long as one is challenged to think through the issues biblically, I don't mind.

Tuesday, July 08, 2008

Forthcoming Article on Sickness & the Christian

Dear friends

You may have noticed that it's been a while since I posted anything new here at Jordan's View. I want to let readers know that I have been dealing with muscle aches and pains again. This has prevented me from being able to sit and type at my computer during my free time as much as I'd like.

Dealing with these pains has turned my mind again to the subject of sickness in the Christian life. I have touched on this topic before but surprisingly I haven't posted a blog article about it yet.

I think that sickness is a very important topic, since virtually everyone is touched by physical infirmity from time to time, including Christians. Yet there is a teaching going around that Christians ought never to be sick, or that if/when they get do become sick, it's always an attack of the devil. In this common view illness is something that is never used by God in the life of a Christian-- as an attack of the devil it is something to be rebuked. Apparently God teaches us no lessons when He permits disease to touch our bodies, other than the lesson that we must "rise up and persevere in faith" to defeat illness.

Dealing with chronic illness in my wife, and now also personally, I have come to the conclusion that the assertions made by this teaching (identified mostly as Word/Faith, and common among teachers such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Frederick Price and others) are faulty. I am gathering my thoughts and hope to be able to post an article on sickness that I hope will be helpful as well as biblical.

Please pray for my healing and that I would honor God in this task.

Saturday, June 14, 2008

Finding and Fulfilling One’s Calling in the Lord

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:10)


Every person is a unique creation of God. Besides outward physical differences, each person inwardly reflects the image of God uniquely, in the combination of personality traits, gifts, motivations and talents they have received. God does not allot His gifts arbitrarily, and the way He puts each one together has purpose. He means for each individual He has called to Himself to fulfill certain God-given works, and accordingly, in His design of each person, He bestows gifts and talents that will enable each to fulfill their God-given callings.

At the same time, God’s purposes in and through mankind are not realized through individuals working alone and separately. God has called us to Himself as His body. When each member of the body plays the part he or she is designed to be and do, the entire body benefits and the purposes of God are achieved (1 Corinthians 12). In writing about Christian calling and vocation, Os Guinness has differentiated between "a primary call, which is by the Lord, to the Lord, for the Lord" and a "secondary call, which is what we do as we follow the Lord- meaning, we do everything as unto him. And, of course, the secondary should never become the primary." In this article I am in agreement with Guinness' definition of calling-- that first, we are called by the Lord to Himself, and that what we do for Him is important but secondary.

If we lived in an ideal world that had not fallen into sin, God’s distribution of gifts among His people would likely have produced a harmonious working together according to God’s purpose. But we live in a fallen world, and so the fulfillment of God’s purpose in His people and through His people involves not only, as we have briefly discussed, gifting them with various natural and spiritual talents, and binding them together in community, but also, the spiritual transformation of the character of each person. This process, called sanctification, involves everything God brings into one’s life, which God uses to test our faith and to perfect our souls in the image of Jesus Christ. We are called to be a holy people, and someday God will complete the work He has begun in His people, bringing us to full maturity and glory (1 Peter 1:3-25, James 1:2-4, Eph 4:1-16). In his letter to the Ephesians the Apostle Paul writes about the marvelous privileges the children of God have through Jesus Christ, that we have been forgiven of our sins and adopted by God, all as part of His marvelous plan of redemption through Jesus Christ:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth (Ephesians 1:3-10)


In searching out the will of God for our life’s vocation, and seeking to fulfill the role(s) God calls us to play, several questions should be asked. One might begin by asking, "What are my unique talents, gifts and motivational patterns? What am I naturally good at doing? What do I like to do most? Also, what kinds of needs in the world drive me? What am I motivated by?" The answers to these questions reflect things about us that are not accidental, but are indicators and clues to one’s God-given calling, because they are within us by design.

But how do we develop and use these God-given gifts in a God-honoring way? Does He hand out gifts and talents just so that we can pursue "self-actualization" and maximize our own potential? Certainly as we have been saying, God gives gifts that He means for us to enjoy, develop and use. But to what end? The Bible states that "the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45)." Likewise, we will find the fulfillment of our gifts when we use them to serve others, and not only for our own benefit.

We must remember too that our identity in God is made up of more than just the sum of our gifts. Our value is not in what we achieve, but in who we are and to whom we belong– for we are people made in the image of God; and we are those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. We are being transformed into Christ-likeness by the mighty hand of God working in us by His very own Spirit, and we have nothing in life that we have not received by God’s provision. Anything that we are able to achieve in this life is from God, who gives the talent, the opportunity and the strength. We belong to God, and we are called to the staggeringly amazing privilege of being not only His servants, but friends of the living God, because He knows us and we may know Him (Philippians 1:6, 2:13; 1 Corinthians 4:7, 6:19-20, 2 Cor 3:18, Ecclesiastes 2:24, John 15:15).

Keeping in mind all these wonderful biblical truths, we recognize that to discover our particular callings we must get busy using and developing our gifts in service to others. For whether or not we have a specific career or arena of service, we already have a commission: to preach the gospel and to teach everything that Jesus commanded, to make disciples and to be ambassadors for Christ (Matthew 18:19-20; 2 Cor 5:20). So in whatever circumstances we find ourselves, we can take action through which we'll gain real-life experiences that will provide useful feedback, confirming and encouraging the talents we possess. We'll discover through this valuable process which gifts and talents are our best and strongest, and this will give us direction as to which gifts ought to be further developed. At the same time, we will be blessing others by using our gifts, rather than just trying to figure out what they are in a theoretical vacuum.

So the process of discovering one’s particular calling involves being a good steward of that which God has given, and remembering that in our service our ultimate purpose is to exalt and glorify God, and not ourselves (1 Cor 10:31; 2 Cor 5:13). For this reason it may be that although God has given us certain gifts that we enjoy using, sometimes the needs of the kingdom may outweigh one’s particular preferences for the "where, what and whom" of our service. The Lord may "close a door", and open a new path of opportunity in its place. As we see from various examples in Scripture Moses, Jonah, etc.), we may be challenged by needs God presents, to go and serve in ways we would not have expected nor would we have chosen. Even then, with the call comes an equipping that comes from the Lord. Generally however, we can still expect that the gifts and talents, the inner motivations and burdens we find consistently within us over time, are good indicators of the direction God has designed for our lives.

Let us get busy then, developing the gifts we’ve discovered, through training (school and study if necessary) and through practice, that we may grow those gifts in fruitful service and gain confirmation of our calling. Let us remain confident that God is overseeing our lives, reigning over past, present and future circumstances. We may feel frustration that we are not achieving more, or that we can only do so much at present, but let us be faithful in the little things, that the Lord may increase our opportunities. Our ability to truly bless others in a lasting way is in proportion to who and what we are as people. Remember that being a godly man or woman is the highest priority in a life of service to the Lord. Let us not then, neglect our personal walk with God as we seek to serve in His kingdom. The Lord will faithfully reward each one for his service to Him, and the reward will be just and fair, measured out on the Lord’s scale of perfect wisdom and righteousness. We may not be as gifted as others, but we can serve with a heart that is pure in its devotion to the Lord, and this is what the Lord really desires from us. Serve with excellence, and to the best of your ability, and never stop striving to improve. But remember that your godly character, reflected in service to God and man that is motivated by love, is the most important thing to God. So whether in your service to God you are granted the opportunity to touch many lives or just a few, the critical component is humble dependence upon God for the love and power to serve Him rightly.

The Way of Love

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love (1 Corinthians 13)


For further reading and study:

Calling, Postmodernism, and Chastened Liberals/A Conversation with Os Guinness

Thank God For Work, Pt 1 by Justin Taylor
Thank God For Work, Pt 2 by Justin Taylor

Misc links on Vocation -Insights from Gene Veith

Teachings and links on Vocation at Monergism.com

Thursday, June 05, 2008

Thoughts on GodTV and the Lakeland "Revival"

In Discernment, Revivals, and Godly Common Sense Dan Edelen over at Cerulean Sanctum has done a very good service for the Christian community by writing a piece that carefully analyzes, according to biblical standards and common sense, the current so-called "revival" happenings taking place at a series of meetings at "Ignited Church" in Lakeland, Florida. The "Lakeland Revival" meetings are being helmed by Todd Bentley, and Ignited Church is pastored by Stephen Strade.

I am in in complete agreement with Dan Edelen when he reminds us that "real miraculous works from God are often imitated by the Enemy". The mere fact that some kind of supernatural events and even healings may be taking place is no proof that the things taking place in Lakeland are of God.

Underdeveloped, unexamined theology
Personally I think that the reason many Christians flock to such events and/or look to them for hope of revival is because of the lack of discernment that comes with having an underdeveloped and/or unexamined theology. I have observed GodTV many times before the current broadcasts featuring the Lakeland "revival". It seems every time I turn on GODTV I observe people seemingly lost in trance, rocking back and forth, swaying as they listen to a worship band, waiting for God to "show up" in some kind of tangible way. The preaching of the word of God is rarely to be heard, and when it does come, it seems all kinds of theological nonsense is spouted. I realize I'm not providing specific examples, but what I'm saying is that the teaching and preaching I've heard does not seem to be based on systematic, thorough examination of scripture, in its grammatical and historical context. Rather, verses are quoted to prove points, but the context is neglected of who the verse was originally to and why is not taken into consideration, as if all verse in Scripture can simply be plucked out at random and be considered relevant to us today or as promises to the modern believer. In other words, this is typical Christian TV fare-- light on substance and theology, heavy on entertainment and emphasizing experience above all. And how can we know that something is of God, according to God TV? Well, we know that God is moving because people are falling down, "slain" by the power of the Spirit; or people shake uncontrollably, allegedly as a result of the power of God coming upon them, and other such experiential manifestations.

It's Time to Wake Up
Brothers and sisters, when are we going to wake up? This clamoring after signs and wonders is not faith, it is a sign that we have not yet become free of fleshly notions about what it means to be spiritual. When I hear Todd Bentley going on about how an angel named Emma speaks and directs him, I'm reminded how different the New Testament attitude is towards such revelations. Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, had a genuine heavenly experience. But unlike modern day preachers who build entire ministries based on their alleged heavenly encounters, and go on in great detail about such encounters and write books about them, Paul only mentions his experience to make the point of its relatively unimportance to his mission for the Lord. In 2 Corinthians 12:1-10, Paul writes of his own personal supernatural and heavenly encounter, though in humility, he refers to himself in the third person:

... Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven— whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into paradise— whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses. Though if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


Was Paul a success or a failure?
But notice that Paul's heavenly experience did not thereafter turn him into someone who was blessed of God with great finances or with perfect health. Unlike teachers on GodTV and at the Lakeland revival, Paul does not portray the Christian life as one where the most important thing is an "experience" of God that proves itself by financial prosperity and healing for the body. If one were measuring the success and genuineness of Paul's ministry by the measures used today-- that when God "manifests" Himself He always brings signs and wonders that provide healing and prosperity to those "hungry" enough to reach out for God-- well, then Paul was a dismal failure!

For it would seem Paul didn't know that he was supposed to pray to be delivered from "weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions and calamities" and instead walk in the "FOG" (favor of God), and claim his "birthright" as a "child of the king". But Paul knew what he was talking about, while these false teachers today don't know what they are talking about.

Hear Paul speak to this age, with words of profound heavenly wisdom, as he tells believers about their true riches in Christ:

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. (Colossians 2: 8-19, emphasis mine)


Growth that is from God
Do we want to grow with a "growth that is from God"? Let us pay heed to Paul's counsel then-- and not lose sight of what our true riches are and how they come to us. Is it wrong to seek healing for the body? Of course not. Is it wrong to seek to improve our financial situation, particularly if we are struggling to make ends meet? Of course it isn't. But let us seek the counsel of Scripture on how to go about finding healing or making money, and at the same time, trust in the Lord's grace and provision. Let us learn to think spiritually, by being careful readers of the word of God, and so be able to know what is most important as believers-- our connection to Christ, our Head. Let's be discerning so that we don't get taken in by those who are re-defining the Christian life to make it into something that it not-- a "magical" experience whereby money fills our pockets and we don't know where it came from, or saying the "touch of God" is equivalent to rolling around on the floor like a dog and barking.

When there are true riches to be had in Christ, through communion with Him that comes through abiding in His truth and practicing it, why "spend your money for that which is not bread, and your labor for that which does not satisfy (Isaiah 55:2)? I certainly don't claim to have experienced the depth of this communion myself. But that's the kind of experience with God I think is worth striving after-- the kind that makes us mature, full of the fruit of the Spirit, more godly, more compassionate and yes, wise and discerning, able to judge correctly (Romans 12:2, 1 Corinthians 2:14-16, 1 Corinthians 14:20).

Friday, May 23, 2008

Adrian Warnock Interviews John Piper

In a 4 part video series posted below, Adrian Warnock, the prolific, "reformed charismatic" UK blogger, interviews the rarely-interviewed John Piper, who is pastor of Bethelehem Baptist Church, a well-known author, and founder of Desiring God Ministries. Among other interesting questions and responses, Piper responds to a question about where does his passion in preaching come from.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3


Part 4


Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Resources: The Theology Program and 2 New Podcasts

I am currently taking the Spring 2008 Introduction to Theology course provided by The Theology Program (TTP) of Reclaiming the Mind Ministries. It's a program that describes itself as "a comprehensive and in-depth training program for the layperson". So far I have enjoyed the course, which personally I'm taking as a way of further exploring the idea of going to seminary.

However I believe most folks who take this course and enroll in TTP are not necessarily intending to enter seminary but nevertheless desire quality, seminary-level resources for learning theology. Thus far I have found the materials to be of excellent quality (downloaded videos and workbook, website resources). Course books must be purchased, although alternate free readings are offered to those who may not be able to afford the required textbooks. Each week, there are 2 online class sessions in which students interact with the instructor and with each other. Weekly assignments and comments are posted online and students may interact with one another's comments on the course blog. The course may be taken for free, or students may enroll in the more challenging certificate program. Certificate courses are $100 per course, and some scholarships are available. Successful completion of the series of six courses earns a certificate.

Instructors for the course are C. Michael Patton, Th.M, and Rhome Dyck, Th.M, both graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary. The aim of the program is to learn about theology historically and biblically, and to gain a methodology for the study of theology that is pursued in an irenic (peaceful), rather than a polemic fashion. Though Mr. Patton is a Calvinist and a cessationist, the program does not attempt to convert participants to these particular views. Rather, the course is about learning how to "do theology". As written on their website,

The contents of TTP are created from a broadly evangelical perspective, engaging other traditions in a persuasive yet gracious manner. In short, we seek to help people think theologically by understanding what they believe and why they believe it.


It has been quite interesting to interact online with others from varied backgrounds who are taking the course, and the weekly assignments and discussions are challenging in that they don't ask students just to regurgitate answers, but to thoughtfully engage with the material. of course the more time and effort one puts into the course work, the more benefit one will derive from the material.

My only frustrations (which may be more personal rather than problems with the course) is that the chat discussion sessions seem a bit superficial in their engagement with the material. I don't think it's easy in a chat room environment to stay focused on the material and not be distracted by all the extra commenting going on. My other frustration is with the broad, irenic approach that characterizes the program. On the one hand, I can see the benefit of this approach, in its openness to hear and engage all viewpoints. Having an accurate understanding of other viewpoints, even those one disagrees with, would help one to think through one's own positions better and develop more strongly considered convictions. On the other hand, I think it important to come to conclusions, and it seems that the irenic method may lend itself to the postmodern tendency of endless discussion and reluctance to point to what is true and to reject what is false. Nonetheless taking the course has been a good experience and I would recommend it especially to those who have no plans to attend seminary but want a structured, quality program for gaining a strong foundation in Christian theology.

The Program also emphasizes trying to bring this program into local churches, and persuades interested students to facilitate this process. Since many if not most churches don't provide systematic theological training, this program may be useful for helping laypeople learn theology. But I'm not yet entirely sure whether I think a program like this would be superior to one that teaches more didactically (from a reformed viewpoint).

New Podcasts/Players- "The Theology Program: Introduction to Theology Course" and "Best of Apologetics Podcast"

Having discovered a method for creating podcasts of audio materials posted on the web, I have created two new resources. One is an audio podcast of all the sessions from The Theology Programs- Introduction to Theology Course, which I described above. You'll find this resource at this link on my ReformingChristianity.com Netvibes page.

Also, under the Apologetics section here on Jordan's View, I've created a "Best of Apologetics Podcast Player", into which I'll regularly post Christian apologetics audio from a variety of sources.

Monday, May 19, 2008

My Nephew's Commercial



Hey friends

My nephew Joshua (youngest son of my brother Daniel and sister-in-law Sheila) stars in this new commercial for Underjams! He's a great little guy, full of energy-- I think the commercial captures a bit of his real life personality-- although now he's looking older than in the commercial. I'm a proud uncle, of course. Also, his older sister, Lydia Jordan --is quite an accomplished actress... I think I'll need to do an interview with her here, just so I can keep up with all the projects she's been involved in so far!

Of course, my nephew Christopher, oldest of the three siblings, is quite impressive too-- he ponders physics (for fun), can solve the Rubik's cube, does magic tricks, and has done a fair amount of acting himself. It's a pleasure watching them all grow up so smart and accomplished (great job, Danny and Sheila!)

Saturday, May 17, 2008

Responses to An Evangelical Manifesto

On May 7th 2008, a "representative group of Evangelicals in America" issued a statement titled "An Evangelical Manifesto: A Declaration of Evangelical Identity and Public Commitment", during a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. The conference and manifesto are their attempt to clarify the meaning of the term "Evangelical" and also to correct negative perceptions of the Evangelical movement. At the same time, the document challenges Evangelicals to follow a more Christ-like, "civil" way of pursuing common objectives. It encourages all who are of like mind about its analysis and prescriptions for Evangelicalism to demonstrate solidarity with its aims by signing the Manifesto.

At the press conference, Dr. Os Guinness, a chief architect of the document, spoke of its dual purpose, saying that the Manifesto is intended for two groups, "an internal audience calling for reformation of evangelicals", and an "external audience... a call to a re-thinking of the evangelical position in public life, and openly, a call for civility" in the "global public sphere". The Manifesto, written by a steering committee of nine, was signed by over 80 well-known evangelicals and is accumulating hundreds of other signatures, although some well-known Evangelicals such as Al Mohler, James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Rick Warren have not signed.



The Manifesto has drawn mixed reactions from bloggers and columnists across the blogosphere and web. Several analyses, by journalists Alan Jacobs and Frank Pastore, and Christian blogger Dan Edelen (see links below), find little by way of practical application to be drawn from the statement, which they assess as too theoretical and not as direct, specific and focused as a manifesto ought to be.

Questioning "An Evangelical Manifesto"- Frank Pastore

A Show About Nothing- Dan Edelen

Come On, You Call This a Manifesto?- Alan Jacobs


Others, such as Darrell Bock and Daniel Wallace (both professors at Dallas Theological Seminary), have been positive, citing the Manifesto's call to civility in the global public square, its humble tone and moderate prescriptions, as good, necessary steps towards recovering respect and credibility to the Evangelical movement. They would urge many to sign the document. Joe Carter, blogger of Evangelical Outpost also has signed the manifesto and has generally positive thoughts on it.

Darrell Bock: Why a Manifesto from Evangelicals? Why Now?- Darrell Bock

Evangelical Manifesto - Part 2- Daniel Wallace

I particularly resonated with the assessments of the manifesto made by Bill Muehlenberg and Albert Mohler (links below).

Both writers praise the analysis of issues that the manifesto gets right, yet also point out its weaknesses, especially noting its failure to give more specifics. For example, Mohler writes, "what the document never makes clear is how to hold to deep moral and political convictions, based in biblical principles, without running the danger of identification with a political agenda -- at least to some extent", and again, "The Manifesto is brave in calling for and end to 'culture warring' that threatens to unravel the society and shut down civil conversation and deliberation. But its bravery does not extend to any specific proposals about how this can be done."

Mohler, who has not signed the Manifesto, concludes his critique with the following words:
In the end, I must judge "An Evangelical Manifesto" to be too expansive in terms of public relations and too thin in terms of theology. I admire so much of what this document states and represents, but I cannot accept it as a whole. I want it to be even more theological, and to be far more specific about the Gospel. I agree with the framers that Evangelicals should be defined theologically, rather than politically, culturally, or socially. This document will have to be much more theological for it to accomplish its own stated purpose.


An Evangelical Manifesto: An Assessment

An Evangelical Response to "An Evangelical Manifesto" Albert Mohler

"An Evangelical Manifesto" -- Continuing the Conversation


Having now read the Manifesto through a couple of times and taken in various commentaries, I've come to some of the same conclusions as others. First, the Manifesto seems to be misnamed, as it lays out no strong, specific agenda for implementation of its purposes. Although it rightly decries politicization of the gospel, the document and surrounding press conference seemed mostly aimed at correcting the public image of Evangelicalism (a seemingly political or public relations endeavor). In a time when political correctness rules the media and an increasingly vocal secular influence strives to remove all vestiges of religious and particularly Christian influence from the public square, this document seems too accommodating to the times. The Christian gospel by its very nature is exclusive. It is also a call to repentance and is therefore offensive, a stumbling block to many. Yet the Manifesto seems more preoccupied with civility than with bold proclamation. Certainly the Manifesto affirms the basic truths of Christianity, yet its conciliatory and defensive tone is not inspiring, and its prescriptions seem to open the door to an inclusivism that will ultimately affect not only with whom we align ourselves, but also the content of the message. Like Mr. Mohler, I would have preferred that a Manifesto that declares that "Evangelicals should be defined theologically, and not politically, socially, or culturally" would present a more theologically-based call to action. I am also concerned that evangelicals I admire for their sound theology are nowhere to be found on the list of signatories, but some about whom I would have theological concerns are.

For further information:


An Interview with Os Guinness about the Evangelical Manifesto


An article titled An Evangelical Manifesto by Matthew Kratz at The Truth Will Set You Free blog, does a fine job of quoting and summarizing the key points of the Manifesto.

Press Club and Interview photos about the Manifesto

Why Some Leaders Won't Sign the Evangelical Manifesto

Sunday, April 27, 2008

T4G 2008 Conference Audio (New Podcast Player)

If you weren't able to attend the Together for the God 2008 conference (neither was I), there are many good web resources that can help you get a feel for what the conference was like. Even better, allow you to listen to the messages of the conference. In a previous article I pointed you to some of those resources.

Now you can listen to all the 8 main speaker messages, and the six panel discussions in one convenient place-- right here on Jordan's View! Just click on my T4G 2008 Podcast Player!

Be Blessed in Him,

Alex

Saturday, April 26, 2008

James White vs Steve Gregg on Calvinism: UPDATED

4-26-08
Listen to all the debates right here, on Jordan's Podcast Player!


Updates: Day 4 and Day 5 of the Steve Gregg vs. James White Debates on Calvinism are now available, plus a Debate Wrap-Up segment. Carla Rolfe has been following the debates and offers interesting observations.

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James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries has been engaging in a 5 day series of debates with Steve Gregg of The Narrow Path, on the subject of Calvinism (HT: Carla Rolfe). I've never heard of Steve Gregg before, but noticed that he has many MP3 teachings on various subjects at his site.

I've have sometimes heard it said that we're all born Arminians (that is, by nature, everyone is more inclined to believe Arminianism than Calvinism). But apparently-- I've not yet had the chance to listen-- Mr. Gregg opens the debates by claiming that only someone trained in Calvinism will be able to find it in the Scriptures and that otherwise, one coming to Scripture would find it neither Arminian nor Calvinistic.

In response to this claim I have read several testimonials from around the web of Calvinists who say that this wasn't their experience: rather it was through the reading of Scripture alone that they came to embrace the doctrines of grace.

Personally, I came to believe in the tenets of reformed teaching by re-examining Scripture passages that reformed teachers were pointing to. As I meditated on these Scriptures I became convinced that the Calvinist reading of them was both correct and true.

In any case, I think that one's personal experience in these matters is not the critical issue. Do the Scriptures lend their support to the Calvinist argument or to that of the Arminian? I think one can determine these things from one's own reading of Scripture. Also it seems to me that Arminian objections tend to have a strong emotional base-- that is, they think Calvinist doctrines like unconditional election and God's absolute sovereignty over all things necessarily makes God both arbitrary and despotic. How can God, who is supposed to be Love, create beings He knows ahead of time will spend eternity in hell? I admit that I don't have a full answer for this, but I plan to examine this issue in a soon-to-come post.

Coming back to the debate between White and Gregg, here are links to MP3s for the first 3 sessions of the debate:

Day 1 of the Steve Gregg vs. James White Debate
Day 2 of the Steve Gregg vs. James White Debate
Day 3 of the Steve Gregg vs. James White Debate

At his site, James White has also examined Steve Gregg's teachings on Calvinism in a number of earlier programs:

Archive to all the Critiques on Steve Gregg

Friday, April 25, 2008

Widgets Overboard!

Some may have thought I was going "overboard" with widgets here on Jordan's View. Well, now I've thrown "overboard" a whole bunch of widgets; made them "walk the plank", as perhaps Jack Sparrow might say. I guess these widgets weren't that essential since now that I've dumped them I can barely remember what they were. Anyway I believe the blog is now uploading much more easily, though the last two enhancements I added-- the one that turns each article into a podcast you can listen to, plus the green "share" button-- still manage to slow things down a bit. But it's certainly loading better and faster than it was just earlier today.

I've also been tweaking what I previously titled the "Reformed Podcast Player" and am now calling "Jordan's Podcast Player". I've changed the colors and added fresh audio-- just click and you can easily listen to the 5-part debate on Calvinism between James White and Steve Gregg that I mentioned in a previous post. I'm going to try to add I have added all the recent "Together for the Gospel Messages" to the player T4G 08 Podcast Player so that you can listen to all the messages in one convenient location. I've also brought this podcast player to a more prominent place on the blog, because I think it's especially important to bring to readers' attention the strong, interesting excellent teaching/preaching going on in reformed circles nowadays, that we may all be challenged and edified. Feel free to recommend any messages or preachers-- now that I've finally figured out how to quickly add messages to the player, I plan on keeping it updated regularly.

Plus, if you go to this site you can subscribe to this "Best of Reformed Podcasts" feed, or, get the flash player for your own site.

Thursday, April 24, 2008

Widget Overload?

Well, I have been noticing lately how long it sometimes takes to upload my blog page, what with all the widgets I've accumulated and added over time. For those who have visited Jordan's View and given up because it was taking way too long to upload, my apologies. I'm often frustrated too when the widgets don't work or slow things down. It may be time to trim some of them away...

Tonight it seems there was problems with vodpod (which powers the Jordan's Video section) and also Clustermaps (the little graphic down at the bottom right that shows what countries visitors to Jordan's View are from), so page loading was especially slow.

Anyway, thanks to all the new visitors who had the patience to load up the blog and read the articles. You're the best.

Blessings,

Alex

Monday, April 21, 2008

How to Get a Reformed Education for Free Online

I bet you were thinking-- what other cool reformed stuff can Jordan come up with? (OK, so maybe you weren't thinking that, but throw me a bone, huh?)

Anyway I have added today yet another scrolling link list to the Reformed Theology section in my sidebar. It's a section titled "Free Reformed Christian Classics (Old and New)" and contains numerous links to great classic, contemporary (and best of all, free) resources for your study and edification.

Many of these books are required reading at reformed seminaries, and because they are in the public domain, you can read or download them online for free!

Among the links are two that recommend particular books to read as a way of gaining a seminary-level education at home. One of these links, Sound Advice for Studying Theology at Home I have already recommended to you. Another link is a Recommended Reading List from Reformed Theological Seminary-- this list contains books that the seminary recommends one reads (after the Bible and the Westminster Confession) "in preparation for the seminary journey".

I hope that you'll find something here for your edification. Reading and studying these works will not of course earn you a degree from a reformed institution, but you will be getting a good reformed education.

Here's the list so far (will be expanded as I discover new resources):

# A Body of Practical Divinity by Thomas Watson
# Confessions of Saint Augustine
# Creeds Confessions and Catechisms
# De Servo Arbitrio “On the Enslaved Will” or The Bondage of Will by Martin Luther
# Death of Death in the Death of Christ by John Owen
# Historic Baptist Documents
# Holiness by J.C. Ryle
# Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin
# Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers by John Owen
# Online Books by John Piper
# Outlines of Theology by A.A. Hodge
# Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan
# RTS Recommended Reading List
# Sound Advice for Studying Theology at Home
# Summary of Christian Doctrine by Louis Berkhof
# The Bondage of the Will by Martin Luther
# The Creeds and Confessions of Christendom
# The Plan of Salvation: Five Lectures Delivered by B.B. Warfield
# The Rare Jewel of Christian Contentment
# The Reformed Pastor by Richard Baxter
# Why I Believe in God by The Rev. Cornelius Van Til, Ph.D.

Saturday, April 19, 2008

Great Free Reformed Seminary Resources!

In the course of doing preliminary research on reformed seminaries to attend, I have come across many helpful (and usually free) resources. For example, Desiring God Ministries (John Piper) features two articles recommending particular reformed seminaries and also distance education opportunities.

In my Reformed Theology sidebar section, you'll find a scrolling link list titled "Seminaries and Education (Reformed)" that includes these article links, as well as links to many reformed institutions.

But what I really want to bring to your attention today is the fact that there are high-quality free seminary course materials one can subscribe to, or download, from such well-regarded seminaries as Reformed Theological Seminary, Covenant Theological Seminary or Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. These resources were already available here on Jordan's View in the Christian Teaching section under "Free Seminars, Seminary and Christian Courses".

But to make it more convenient to listen to the free lectures provided by these reformed schools, I have created the following tabs at my ReformingChristianity.com Netvibes Universe:

On these pages you can click on a link to listen to or download any lecture title. I find this a more convenient way to listen than using an iTunes subscription, which requires downloading each file.

Additionally, there are excellent reformed ministries that provide top-notch training materials at low cost. Reclaiming the Mind Ministries/The Theology Program aims to offer "comprehensive and in-depth theological training for lay-people", and provides inexpensive and/or free versions of their materials. I have enjoyed reading Parchment and Pen, the prolific blog of C. Michael Patton, president of Reclaiming the Mind Ministries and a Calvinist teacher/writer.

Third Millennium Ministries, an Evangelical Christian parachurch ministry in the Reformed tradition, has Richard L. Pratt, an adjunct professor of Old Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary, for its president. Its mission is to "equip church leaders in their own lands by creating a multimedia seminary curriculum in five major languages in fifteen years." The materials at this site may also be purchased at modest prices and/or downloaded in free versions.

As one strongly considering entering seminary, I really appreciate the availability of these outstanding free resources, which I am beginning to utilize in preparation for more formal training. I hope this article also helps others find and make use of them.

Other Good Resources:
Dimensions of the Faith at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (Free on-line theological education program)

Sound Advice for Studying Theology at Home

Doctrine and Theology (Audio and Multimedia links at Monergism.com)

Biblical Training