Showing posts with label Emerging Church. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Emerging Church. Show all posts

Sunday, March 27, 2011

Lady Gaga, Rob Bell and Hell

Isn't the whole point of religion to teach us morals and to love and care for each other no matter what age, gender, sexual preference, religion or race we are?


The question was one among many comments posted on a recent YouTube video by Lady Gaga. In one segment of the video, titled “Gagavision No.41”, Lady Gaga sits in the back of her limo on the way to give a performance. She sees a Christian street preacher standing outside, protesting her show. He is carrying a large sign that reads, “Trust in Christ or End in Hell”. Rolling down her window, she cheerfully introduces herself, “Hi, I’m Lady Gaga”, to which the man promptly replies, “So?”

The man hands her a “Get Out of Hell Free” card, and says, “It’s gonna happen one day, darling”. She retorts, “Well, they better open up the gate”. In the further brief exchange, the man comes across as condescending and hostile. Gaga tells him that she and her fans believe in God and that she went to Catholic school for 13 years. He replies that growing up in that screwed-up religion is probably the source of her problems. Later in the video, Gaga reflects on her encounter with the man her video identifies as a “fundamentalist preacher”.

“What I’m trying to understand is, there’s 3000 people standing in my line and no one standing in your line. Who’s going to hell?”, Gaga says, laughing. “But I think what’s mostly confusing is why he printed up these things (referring to the man’s “Get Out of Hell Free” cards). If it was so easy to get out of hell, why don’t we just print up a bunch of these guys?” Becoming more serious, Gaga continues, “It just makes me sad that my fans have to see that. But I know that’s just part of what I’m supposed to do.” At that point in the video, words flash on the screen in black, ALL CAP letters against a red backdrop: IF YOU HAVE REVOLUTIONARY POTENTIAL, THAN YOU HAVE A MORAL IMPERATIVE TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE

As I began writing this blog article, Gaga’s video had already garnered more than 420,000 views and 5,000 comments. Since then, the video has racked up 950,000+ views and 7000 comments and counting. From such numbers, it would seem Lady Gaga is accurate in observing that her way of looking at life resonates with a lot of people. On the other hand, the Christian message has never claimed to be a popular one:

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few (Matthew 7:13-14 ESV)


But I want to respond in this article to the question posed by the person who asked, “Isn't the whole point of religion to teach us morals and to love and care for each other no matter what age, gender, sexual preference, religion or race we are?” I think the question reflects a quite common conception of what religion is supposed to accomplish. This view sees all religions, including Christianity, as basically a means of inculcating morals and helping people strive to be better, more loving persons. All paths to God are equally valid. This popular view is one held not only by non-religious people, but even by many who identify themselves as Christians. Before I discuss this further, I want to sidetrack for a moment.

In terms of "media time" it is already ages ago, but a firestorm erupted in the Christian blogosphere just 2 months back, when Justin Taylor posted an article titled, Rob Bell: Universalist? that strongly criticized Rob Bell's theological message. The article focused, not on Bell's soon to be released book, "Love Wins", but rather, on the publisher's description and video promo for the book .

The piece got thousands of views and elicited hundreds of comments (maybe not Gaga's kind of numbers, but for a reformed blog, it was lots of attention). Many who commented complained that it was quite unfair to criticize Bell's book and its ideas, since at that point, the book was not yet released. Others brought out the old, tiresome "we should never judge other Christians, it's not loving" speech. But many recognized that Taylor's article was on target and helpful in identifying, in advance of its release, the controversial ideas that Bell has been espousing for some time now.

In the wake of the March 17 release of Love Wins,
well-known Reformed writers, Michael Horton and Kevin DeYoung, each wrote thoughtful, detailed critiques. Southern Seminary president Al Mohler posted excellent articles engaging the discussion on Bell, and recorded and posted a panel discussion held at the seminary. Pastor John MacArthur has now written a series of articles strongly critical of Bell and his work, boldly calling out Bell as a false teacher (for these resources and more, see the links below).

But some will ask, why all the hoopla? Is it really that important that Christians focus so much attention on a book one does not agree with theologically?

Well, in a word, YES.

Because Christians have got a revealed message to proclaim, not a story that may be altered to suit one's own fancies, or re-fashioned to make it a better sell. Yes, the doctrine of hell is a turn-off. No one likes to think mankind is so sinful that all people deserve hell, and that apart from Christ, all of us are by nature "children of wrath" (Ephesians 2:3). Such a thought pricks against human pride-- we protest: we're not that bad!

But the question we ought to be asking, especially if we claim to believe the Bible, and claim that we believe in the Jesus of the Bible, is not, "Why doesn't God save everybody?, or "How can a loving God send people to hell?" Rather we should ask, is Jesus telling the truth when He states that unless we believe in Him, we already stand condemned and the wrath of God remains on us? Everybody loves John 3:16-17. But what about John 3:18 and John 3:36?

[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. [18] Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God... [36] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him (John 3:16-18, 36 ESV)

Christians gladly partake of the blessing of receiving Christ as Savior by believing what He says about going to the cross for our sins is true. But then we must also listen to and receive what He says about hell, for He spoke of it often. As John Yenchko has written,

This is the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God. The One who held children tenderly in His arms spoke more about hell than anyone else in the Bible; and I, for one, am glad that it was He. If you will not hear Jesus on hell, then don’t pretend to hear Him on anything else. Let’s have integrity, shall we?

Jesus says in the parable of the weeds, Matthew 13, that all who do evil will be thrown into the fiery furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. He quotes the above sentence in Mark 9:48 where He describes hell as “the place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.” He says of those who did not take in a stranger or provide for the needy: “They will go away to eternal punishment” (Matt. 25:46). In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus told, the rich man is in hell and looks up to see Abraham far away in heaven, with Lazarus beside him. The rich man cries out, “Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue because I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24). Abraham’s negative reply comes back, Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us” (Luke 16:26). So Jesus says in Matthew 10:28, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”


In contrast to the Jesus of Scripture, whose continual theme is telling people to repent of their sins and escape the wrath of God in hell, there is the sentimental conception that Christian love is all about God unconditionally, uncritically loving all people, regardless of their beliefs or behaviors. In this view, true Christ-likeness is to be non-judgmental and “loving” towards all others, no matter what they do. Those who label certain behavior as morally wrong or sinful, have strayed from the original message of unconditional love that Christ meant us to emulate. Thus they become “haters”, “fundamentalists” and “judgmental” people who distort the “loving” message of Christ and give Christianity a bad name.

Now I understand that non-believers might believe this fluff-- they usually don't believe that the Bible is accurate, or they may question how faithfully it represents what Jesus really said. But those who claim to know Christ as revealed in Scripture must see that the same Bible that reveals Jesus as a gentle and meek in some ways, also shows Him issuing the sternest warnings about the hell that awaits those who reject Him. Jesus loved people enough to tell them the truth about hell.

Interestingly, Rob Bell’s book seems to paint a similar picture of God’s love as the view described above. Bell downplays the traditional understanding that God is angry towards sin and that the sinfulness of mankind is our biggest problem. Now Rob Bell has a huge, young evangelical audience, and is recognized as a gifted communicator, even by those who don't agree with his theology. This is why many well-known reformed teachers have worked overtime to present strong rebuttals to his teaching. They see the spiritual peril in the ideas Bell is spreading, the deadly consequences for those who might be swayed to adopt his views.

Bell’s new work pointedly questions the traditional understanding of hell, and attempts to clarify what he thinks is the the true nature of the gospel message. He argues that the primary message of Christianity, the prime characteristic of God Himself, is “God is love”. “Love Wins” says Bell, because in the end God wants everyone saved, and He is powerful enough to get what He wants. In Bell’s view, hell is not a literal place where unbelieving rebels will be eternally and justly punished by God. Instead those who reject God and don’t live in relationship to Him are already experiencing their “hell” in this life. If there is a hell in the next life, Bell surmises that it will not be eternal, because those who don’t accept and profess Christ consciously while on earth will no doubt get a second chance. Hell thus becomes a kind of purgatory.

Bell writes, [There will be] “endless opportunities in an endless amount of time for people to say yes to God. At the heart of this perspective is the belief that, given enough time, everybody will turn to God and find themselves in the joy and peace of God’s presence. The love of God will melt every hard heart, and even the most ‘depraved sinners’ will eventually give up their resistance and turn to God.”

Now what should be said in response to this? Is Bell's version of the Christian story superior because it will be appeal to and be embraced by those who've really wanted to be Christians, but just didn't like all the stuff about hell and sin? Yes, Bell's version of Christianity probably will be received happily by those who have a difficult time accepting the more traditional view. The problem, is what Bell gives them as a substitute is a lie and a mirage. Hell is real and literal. We don't have the luxury of "endless opportunities in an endless amount of time" to either accept or reject Christ. There is no biblical warrant to believe that those who do not consciously choose Christ in this life will get another chance to do so in the afterlife. In my next article, I will examine in greater detail the biblical evidence for hell and what happens after we die.

It's ironic, but sometimes we can get a true message even from a not-so-good messenger. The street preacher who spoke so condescendingly to Lady Gaga was not an accurate reflection of our Lord's compassion towards lost sinners. Yet his "Trust in Christ or End in Hell" message is much more accurate than a message that teaches that God doesn't punish evildoers in an eternal hell for their sins committed in this life, of which the greatest is to reject Christ.

From the beginning, there have always been competing versions of Christianity. Thus it remains always our responsibility as believers to "contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 1:3)." False gospels and false Christs don't save. The world has its many gospels, but Christianity has but one faith and one message to give: Jesus Christ shed His blood to save sinners.

More Resources

Bell’s Hell: A Review by Michael Horton

Bell’s Hell: A Review by Michael Horton- PDF version

God Is Still Holy and What You Learned in Sunday School Is Still True: A Review of “Love Wins”

God Is Still Holy and What You Learned in Sunday School Is Still True: A Review of “Love Wins- PDF version)

We Have Seen All This Before: Rob Bell and the (Re)Emergence of Liberal Theology

Panel Discussion — Rob Bell and “Love Wins”

“A Massive Shift Coming in What it Means to Be a Christian?” — TIME Magazine Considers Rob Bell

MSNBC: Martin Bashir’s Interview with Rob Bell

Call it a Comeback: Evangelicals, Liberals, and the Problem of Hell

Love Never Wins When Truth Loses

The Blood-Drained Gospel of Rob Bell

Pastor Rob Bell: What if Hell Doesn't Exist? (TIME cover article April 14 issue)

Articles by John MacArthur:
Bell’s Inferno

Rob Bell’s Unbelief in His own Words

Rob Bell: a Brother to Embrace, or a Wolf to Avoid?

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Me-thinks "Rethink" Stinks

Two recent articles that refer to the influence of Robert Schuller on a new generation of leaders are quite disturbing. As "traditional" ways of following Christ and interpreting Scripture are thought to be ineffective and outdated, new strategies of leadership that have more in common with secular marketing strategies than biblical methodology are being promoted. One of the articles is titled "Rethinking Revised" by Roger Oakland of Understanding the Times Ministries. In it he describes his experiences and observations while attending the recent Rethink Conference that was headed by Schuller and featured well-known names in evangelicalism (Erwin McManus, Bill Hybels, Chuch Colson, George Barna, Lee Strobel, Dan Kimball, John and Nancy Ortberg among them) as well as more secular figures such as Larry King, former President George H.W. Bush, and Rupert Murdoch.

The second article, "Robert Schuller – The Humpty Dumpty of Evangelicalism" is an excellent analysis of some of the deep flaws in Schuller's theology. It seems that the discernment level among Evangelicals today is appalling low. But if it is low among the leaders, there is even less discernment among those who follow these leaders. May articles like these help people avoid the false and deceptive directions being promoted by these leaders.

For further consideration:
Articles
Rethinking Robert Schuller
Erwin McManus Teams Up with Robert Schuller - Could Have Far-Reaching Effects
Rethinking Culture
What is "Rethinking"?

Audio
Crosstalk Program on Rethink Conference/Evangelicalism

Here's one article which doesn't find anything wrong with this picture (read this too if you wish and make up your own mind):
Kay Warren and Robert Schuller (and the Re-Think Conference)

Saturday, March 08, 2008

Debating Abortion with Emerging Christians

Over at Reclaiming the Mind Ministries blog a post titled Emergers on Abortion: Where Do You Stand? has generated lively conversation/debate. Some contributing to the discussion would likely describe themselves as Emergers and others, like myself, as Reformed or Calvinistic.

It has been an interesting, if somewhat troubling, discussion. One person said that although they think abortion to be a terrible thing-- and would rejoice if Roe vs. Wade were overturned-- nevertheless they will vote for Obama or Hillary come November. The track record of these two presidential candidates on abortion is consistent-- (see this recent article, Obama's Constitution or this article showing Hillary's record on abortion)-- their support for abortion rights/woman's choice is both staunch and unwavering. Nevertheless a vote for Obama or Hillary is defended with the argument that abortion hasn't been eliminated under Republicans anyway, and that the social conditions that lead to abortion will improve more under an Obama or Hillary administration. So better to support a candidate who'll improve social conditions and thus really impact the abortion problem.

The Emergers prescription seems to be then that Christians contribute to the healing of society by expressing a gentler, kinder, more "tolerant" kind of Christianity that isn't so "narrow" and "judgmental" about issues like abortion and gay marriage. In addition, the Christian societal agenda should be broadened to confront the problems of poverty, AIDS, the disenfranchised, etc, and demonstrate to the world we're really loving Christians.

I have contributed a number of comments to the ongoing discussion. A main theme has been my saying that while there is truth in the "Emergers" saying that Christians have a responsibility, not only to issue biblical proclamations about right and wrong, but also to show forth their Christian love to neighbor through action, a social response cannot stand alone, particularly with regard to the abortion issue. Some think the New Testament rules out all political or legal stratagems as legitimate means of changing society. They say focus more on implementing positive social change rather than fighting to reverse decisions like the 1973 Roe vs Wade Supreme Court case. But this is a grave mistake, one which I don't think is justified by Scripture.

Another commenter argues that abortion is not addressed in the Bible, that it is hypocritical to fight abortion when so many use birth control methods that are abortofacients (in other words, forms of abortion), so it really is a non-issue.

I think it's sad that the evil of abortion actually needs to be defended in a discussion among people who identify themselves as Christians. If the statements I've encountered during the discussion are reflective of the effect of emerging church thought, I'll have no part of it, thank you very much.

Below I'm pasting excerpts from some of the comments I've made over there (I figure that as long as I'm taking the time to present arguments and quote Scripture I might as well create a post here). For full context, please visit the link I provided above.

Yes, I think that as we preach and apply the gospel, first to ourselves and then in our relationship to the world, Christians can effect real change in society (the “salt” and “light” principles). Yet if abortion is a wrong because God is the Creator of life and we are not to play God by taking to ourselves the power of deciding who lives and dies, then this is the self-evident argument we must present. As we present it, we must also work towards getting the law changed since it is this evil law that permits and sanctions the evil of abortion. So while we ought to do all the educational and service and loving actions that show we are truly Christians on this issue, let us not neglect the critical point that we must overturn the very law that ushered in this great national tragedy.


In several of my responses I have agreed with the point that it seems the Emergent church types are making– that the fight to change minds and practices on abortion must be broad-based, dealing also with the many social problems that contribute to it. Agreed. At the same time, the fight against abortion must not neglect the point that abortion is a moral/spiritual/sin issue– a wrong chosen by sinful people in a society so twisted that it doesn’t even recognize the wrong of it anymore. Christians who recognize God as the Author of life however, ought to recognize the wrongness of abortion and this must include continued effort to overturn the law that makes abortion so easy today. An approach to abortion that thinks that Roe vs Wade will be outlawed without a continued fight, or despite putting actively pro-abortion candidates into office, is naive and gravely mistaken.


And from today:

I think that the personhood of the child in the womb is well-established by the Scriptures, which point throughout to God’s formation of that which is in the womb. The fact that David in Psalm 139 was inspired to use poetic language in describing this doesn’t mean that the fact behind the description– that God Himself fashions the human being that grows within the womb–is any less a fact. In addition to Psalm 139:13-16 and Jeremiah 1:5 which have been mentioned, we also find Luke 1:44, Gen 25:23, 29:31, I Samuel 1:5-6, Job 31:15, Psalm 17:14, Psalm 127:3, Eccl 11:5, Isaiah 44:2, 24; 46:3, 49:1, 5; 66:9, Hosea 9:14, Luke 1:15, 31, Luke 2:21 as the testimony of Scripture that God is fully in charge of what takes place in the womb. He is in charge of it opening or not opening. Also He knows the persons He forms in the womb, even before they are born, who they are, and what they will be and do.

If then persons in the womb are considered by God as persons and can be known by Him in a personal way, as these Scriptures show, then to kill what is growing in the womb is to murder a human life that God has created for His own purpose.

3. In what way does humanity show itself to be made in the image of God? Are you saying that the image of our physical body represents God, so that, as statues represent human beings, so human beings represent what God looks like? This isn’t consistent with the teaching of Scripture that God is spirit (John 4:24) and is invisible (Luke 24:39). It is true that when Christ incarnated, He took on a visible, bodily form, but the Scriptures show that taking on this form was a humbling experience for an almighty, eternally existent God, something He did in order to complete His mission of saving man from their sins “…though he was in the form of God, [He] did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (Phil 4:5-8). Jesus allowed us to “see” God in the sense that by coming to earth and taking on a human body, he became the “the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15) and “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known (John 1:18)”.

So when Gen 1:27 speaks of man and woman being created in the image of God, I think it means that we reflect God in our inner nature, not in our physical image. Like God, we have the capacity to think, to reason, to feel, to will, to act on our will, to have relationship. This ability to engage in relationship with God seems to be a key reason that God created man. God was complete in Himself and did not need us. But He made us that we might have fellowship with Him and with each other. And here is where I believe being made in the image of God touches on the abortion issue– for if even in the womb God is already have a relationship with us, as the Scriptures show, that murdering the life in the womb is to thwart the relational purpose of God.

4. I don’t think one is forced to conclude from Jer 1:5 that Jeremiah must have been eternally pre-existent. Obviously this would be impossible because only God is eternally pre-existent. Could not the passage be describing that God created both the soul and the body of Jeremiah, but first began with conceiving of Jeremiah in His own mind, so to speak? “I will create a being named Jeremiah, and he will have this personality and these gifts and talents, and I will also fashion his body in the womb to look and be a certain way, in keeping with the purposes I have for his life.” None of this would demand that Jeremiah be an eternally pre-existent being, it would just show that God, as the verse says, “knew” Jeremiah before He formed him in the womb.


Further Resources:
This article by leading feminists and pro-choice advocates says candidate Hillary is the best hope for preservation of "a woman's right to choose":

Why Hillary Is The Right Choice For Women


Christian articles that show why abortion is wrong and what we should do about it:
Exposing the Dark Work of Abortion
Ten Reasons Why it is Wrong to Take the Life of Unborn Children
Is There A Clear Biblical Mandate Against Abortion
Arguments Against Abortion
Abortion and the Ancient Practice of Child Sacrifice

Saturday, August 04, 2007

4-Part Video Series on the Emerging Church by Gary Gilley

I have posted in my Jordan's Video sidebar (right column) a 4-part series by Dr. Gary Gilley, who speaks on the dangers of the Emerging church.

The following is a description of the series, from Godtube.com:

"Dr. Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel visited Ireland and spoke on issues concerning the church today. This video is part of a four part series and a damning indictment of the market-driven churches that are so popular today.

Dr. Gilley contends that the church has sold out to our culture so that the influences of the culture have become the influences in the church. The most significant forces pressing against the church are entertainment, market driven philosophies and psychology. These three are largely absent from the Bible, yet are startlingly prevalent in evangelical churches. The leaders and issues he concentrates on most are Rick Warren and his book The Purpose Driven Church, Bill Hybels and Lee Strobel. In this fourth part of the series, Dr. Gilley will explain what the Emerging Church is and how it is dangerous to the Evangelical community."


The church I attended for many years in New York City seems to be embracing this "Emerging" approach to church growth, judging from their recent activities (doing the 40-Day Purpose Driven Church program and sponsoring simulcast seminars on leadership, led by Bill Hybels). It all sounds so good. But as these videos explain, the true gospel is not the primary value in this movement. Rather, what seems to be most important is what "works", while doctrine is downplayed. Though my old church is doing much laudable ministry, I think this new direction is clearly dangerous. Unfortunately, churches across the country are also succumbing to these misguided influences.

Please check out the videos and consider for yourself whether this Emerging movement is positive or negative.